by Mike Winger
Do you want to develop the ability to understand and apply the Old Testament Law? In this two part series you will learn; 1- What the Old Testament Law is all about 2- How the OT Law applied to Jews vs. Gentiles 3- Avoiding misapplications and distortions of the Law 4- What impact Jesus had on the OT Law 5- How Christians are supposed to read and apply the OT Law 6- Examples of how New Testament authors applied the OT Law to Christians 7- Principles to get the most out of reading the Pentateuch Christians need an overall understanding of the Old Testament Law. It is not satisfactory to merely say "we aren't under The Law" and never open it again.
Duration:1:10:49

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Posted on:
Tuesday, 04 June 2019
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MIke
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Posted on:
Tuesday, 04 June 2019
Posted by:
Mike
I tried leaving a comment about a Catholic bible that includes the 2nd commandment regarding idols and graven images, but uncertain that it went thru. Please reference the Saint Joseph New American Bible Revised Edition copyright 2011. Would appreciate your thoughts with regard to footnote on 20:4.
Posted on:
Tuesday, 23 July 2019
Posted by:
Matthew Harding
Hi pastor Mike! I was going through your videos on Understanding Old Testament Law in preparation for a class I am teaching with my Young Adult Bible Study group and I found an item of concern with reference to how you portray how Lutherans and Catholics reorganize/renumber the Ten Commandments (this is in Part 1 of 2 for "How To Understand the Old Testament Law" starting at 28:15). Before I begin, I'd like to be transparent that I was born and raised Catholic, and became a Lutheran in my adult life. I do not conform to Catholic doctrine, and agree with your many arguments about the questionable actions/biblical authority of the Catholic church. My church specifically identifies themselves as Christians first; in that, we do not like to associate ourselves as Lutherans because it implies we worship/blindly follow Martin Luther. Instead, we teach that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ and we as a congregation agree with the teachings Luther offered, but do not give worship to him in any way. I am a huge fan of you, David Wood, and Leighton Flowers, and consider my soteriological views to be in line with provisionism. With reference to your video, you say "I have to say, I find it very interesting that the Lutheran and Catholic List of Ten Commandments leaves this out" (with reference to the Commandment on worshiping idols/creating idols for the purpose of worship) and go on to describe how these doctrines omit this idea/Commandment. I was initially perplexed by this idea and did some digging to understand why this happened and I found that your portrayal of this doctrine is not completely accurate. I found a substantive answer for the re-numbering of the Ten Commandments here: http://lonelypilgrim.com/2013/10/09/st-augustine-on-how-to-divide-the-ten-commandments-did-catholics-change-the-ten-commandments/ In sum, Lutherans and Catholics did not blatantly remove the Commandment to not worship idols/create idols for worship. Rather, the rule on worshiping idols IS included in the First Commandment in Catholic/Lutheran doctrine. I think where you could have gone into greater detail to clarify this was to identify that Exodus 20 actually provides 14 imperative commands given by God to Moses (it isn't until Exodus 34:28 where these Commandments are formally called the Ten Commandments). As a result, it was up to both the Jews, and later the Church Fathers, to divide these commands into a list of 10. In fact, the Catholic/Lutheran numbering comes from St Augustine who did not divide the First Commandment the way we are discussing on the grounds that making idols for worship is a continuation of worshiping no other god but the Lord (and can even be seen as an example of how to not worship any other god but the Lord). I was a little taken aback by your discussion on this as your video seems to imply that Catholics and Lutherans omitted this Commandment as a means to practice idol worship. I realize this video is five years old, but I did find the information to have some flaws. Moreover, I felt the discussion on why the Ten Commandments are numbered differently is an important topic to discuss, rather than making it seem like Catholics and Lutherans have some ulterior motives for doing this; it is not that simple. I don't know if you intend to ever do another video on the Ten Commandments like this, but it is something I wanted to bring up to bring clarity. Thank you for all you do brother! I consult your work often and will be using many of your lessons to conduct my own in the future. God bless!

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